A Veteran Triumph motorcycle

A 1911 Triumph 3 ½ HP. This page is all about a 1911 Veteran Triumph motorcycle.

What is a Veteran Motorcycle? A veteran Triumph motorcycle is one made before the 1st January 1915 - so even the youngest veteran motorcycles are now almost 100 years old. The veteran Triumph was one of the most popular motorcycles when it was new and today it remains one of the most numerous of the veteran motorcycles that exist - many in running order.

We now think of veteran motorcycles as unreliable and not able to travel more than a few tens of miles before they would splutter to a halt and require extensive tinkering before they would continue. This view is very wrong.

By 1911 you could buy a motorcycle that would keep going for much longer than any man could endure and be a practical and reliable form of transport.

Rubbish you say .... well did you know that in 1911 the Auto Cycle Union stopped all further attempts on the endurance riding from the furthest northern point of Britain (John o’Groats) to the most southern (Lands End). They did so after Ivan B Hart-Davies set the final official ACU record in 1911 on a 1911 Triumph, covering the 886 miles in 29 hours and 12 minutes and averaging just over 30mph. At the time the national speed limit was 20 mph. Now you may scoff at 30mph as you think of blasting down a modern motorway, but in 1911 the roads were small, rutted and unsurfaced and you were effectively riding offroad in modern terms. Many of the towns would have roads covered in cobbles which when covered in the droppings from the millions of horses that were still the primary means of transport for most people, made them very slippery. Now think again of averaging 30mph over 886 miles over dirt tracks in 29 hours! Factor in the huge number of horses and other hazards you would need to slow for and the numerous punctures from the huge volume of nails scattered by the millions of horses. Other notable performances of Triumph riders in 1911 included:

The 1911 Triumph is widely regarded as the first useable relaible motorcycle produced.

My Grandfather thought so for he kept his 1911 Triumph until 1945 and it still exists today. Below is the earliest known picture of it in the early 1920's. Kids have arrived and a sidecar has been attached and if you look carefully you can see their little faces in the sidecar.

Veteran Triumph 1911

My Grandfather had his own motorcycle and cycle shop at mostly at 34a Church Street, Old Town, Eastbourne in East Sussex. He was in business from around 1909 (or may be bit earlier) until WW2. The picture below was taken in 1926 and shows a small part of his shop on the right of the butchers and what very much looks like a Triumph logo painted on the window. In 1911 the bike shop was run my a Mr BJ Smith and my Grandfather is listed in a 1910 business driectory as being at 8 Arundel Terrace as a Cycle and Motor Agents. By 1918 Thomas Gander had moved to 34a is listed in business at 34a as a cycle engineer.

34 church street eastbourne

The Triumph will have come with a lovely little booklet about the bike and how to ride it. The current owner has probably the worlds most extensive library of period Triumph Literature and below are copies of some of the pages and booklets relevant to the 1911 Triumph.

veteran triumph handbook

Inside this booklet ...

veteran triumph handbook

and below is another page showing how reliable these bikes can be...

Albert Catt Triumph motorcycle

veteran triumph motorcycle handbook

The 1911 Triumph Sales Brochure below.

veteran triumph literature

Below are a couple of pages from this brochure

veteran triumph literature

veteran triumph literature

 

Triumph also published a Repairs and Sundries Catalogue and below are a few pages from the 1911 edition.

veteran triumph repair catalogue

 

veteran triumph repair catalogue

veteran triumph repair catalogue

veteran triumph repair catalogue

On the 8th November 1910 The MOTOR CYCLING magazine had an initial review of the 1911 Triumph, below

1911 Triumph Motorcycle review

Probably the main literature aside from the weekly publications to guide motor cycle rider at this time was a useful little book called Hints and Tips for MotorCyclists. If tell you all you need to know to choose, own and ride a bike of the time.

hints and tips for motor cyclists 3rd edition

It is full of little period gems such as the text below.

In 1945 my grandfather sold the Triumph to a local man and in 1954 he sold it for £30 to Gordon Little. Gordon used the bike extensively and even rode it into Europe.

The picture below was taken in 1958 and shows Gordon Little standing on the right. Veteran motorcycles were just starting to get a following with people buying them to enjoy and use. Gordon was a great enthusiast of veteran motorcycles and especially veteran Triumphs and used AP1740 extensively often travelling over 100 miles in a day - just to prove that a veteran motorcycle can still be used.

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

In 1958 Gordon wrote to Triumph to tell him about his bike and see if they had any parts to keep it running, the reply he received is below.

In 1962 it was still owned by Gordon and was featured on the cover of a program for a veteran motorcycle and vintage motorcycle event.

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

By 1974 it had changed owners and was owned by Geoffrey Morris and a postcard of it was created, see below.

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

In 1975 the owner lent it to Ian Hallett to do the Pioneer on. Ian was visiting from New Zealand and is pictured below on the run and looks like he is making good progress!

1911 veteran Triumph Pioneer Run

It completed the 1975 Pioneer and here it is standing at the finish at Brighton with Sid Morris the father of the owner.

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

Geoffrey sold it to a friend called Roger but bought it back in September 2011 and below are a few pictures of it then. It is a very original veteran triumph. Many veteran motorcycles are restored to "as new " condition, but it is nice to see one in unrestored condition.

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

veteran triumph motorcycle 1911

It is probably the most original 1911 Triumph veteran motorcycle that exists.

Having not been started for 10+ years, in the autumn of 2011 we filmed it returning to life, see -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKz_a86lMeI

Once it has been checked over it will start much more easily. If you like veteran motorcyles or veteran Triumphs then the Pioneer Run is a UK event for veteran motorcycles that runs in March every year. It will usually have a great many veteran triumphs and around 300 veteran motorcycles taking part.

 

If you dealt with Triumph for parts in the period then you would get paperwork like the two examples below.

A short list of essential things I have learned ...

Oil
A 50 grade oil is considered to be the ideal. When the engines were built at the factory they had 4 full pumps of oil put into the engine and they should always have about the same volume when running. I have read this in various period publications and it has been recorded as a teacup of oil or about two egg cups of oil – so before they started exact measuring of things! So I would suggest to be sure how much oil you have – start it and warm it then drain the oil and see how much you had in it. Then put in 4 pumps of oil and run it and give it oil every 5 miles or so depending upon load/speed. When you get back from your ride drain the oil and see how much is in it. It obviously blows/leaks out as you go but you will be able to see if it is retaining about the teacup of oil needed to keep it healthy. In some old publications including one Triumph one it suggests draining the oil after every ride and refilling. I shall be doing this in future as it will remove any muck that’s trapped in the oil and ensure you set out on each ride with the correct amount at the start. Another publication suggests flushing the motor with paraffin every now and again and then re oiling which seems a good idea. If after your ride you have a teacup of oil in the sump then you are oiling it about right. Less oil left and give it more when riding and vice versa. I think if you put in too much then it will just blow out more and if you have loads in the sump it will be less easy to turn over the engine due to the drag of the oil.

Gearing
If you have a fixed engine (no clutch or gears) then you adjust the gearing by the front pulley. I have been running a 5.5:1 ratio and it would climb anything and run to a maximum of around 45mph. 6:1 shoul get even a tired bike up any hill and 4.5:1 is probably the norm for flatter roads and a higher top speed. If you intend to switch between ratios then have two drive belts at the correct length for each.

Should you wish to say hello or give a novice veteran rider some advice, my email is:

paulg@go-faster.com

Item For Sale
A friend is selling a very rare item - a three speed hub clutch. It is a Mk5 Armstrong unit - a complete veteran wheel, including a three-speeder Armstrong Mark V hub and clutch, together with belt rim, tyre tim and brake rim. Will have it in the car boot at Pioneer Run. If you are interested then email me and I will forward on your email. A picture of it is below.

Armstrong Mk5

Movies of Veteran Motorcycles

I have managed to find a few old movies from Pioneer Runs from long ago.

In 1955 Gordon Little organised a Pioneer Run to Paris - all 160 miles! if it, you can see a short video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c6nhpXEvFw

I have also managed to find a movie of the 1961 Pioneer run and that is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LkafqpcZ2Q

If you are looking for more information on veteran Triumphs then below are a list of excellent sites:

http://www.veterantriumph.nl

http://users.actrix.co.nz/cornelius/Triumph/

If you are looking for more information on old Triumphs, then a series of excellent booklets are available via the link below:

http://users.actrix.co.nz/cornelius/Triumph/Booklets.htm

http://veterantriumph.co.uk/ - this site are the main manufacturer of early Triumph parts and a font of all knowledge. These are THE Veteran Triumph experts.

http://www.bertpol-vintagemotorcycles.com - this is a Dutch site that also makes parts for Veterans, restores bikes and sometimes has bikes for sale.


And if you feel inspired to buy one, then I have created a page of places where you might find one for sale -

http://www.go-faster.com/VeteranMotorcycleForSale.html

An excellent book about riding an early Triumph has been written by Noel Whittall. I have read it twice so far! You can buy it at Amazon (see below) and no doubt other places.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Stupid-Thing-Do-Meander-Scotland/dp/1908037148

In October 2011 I published a few pictures of old bikes - my father and his pals riding around Europe in 1953 on a Brough Superior, Triumph Thunderbirds etc and in just a couple of months the page has had over 13 million hits!
That web page is here - http://www.go-faster.com/SS100.html

If you like even older bikes, then you may be interested to read about my exploits on my 1914 4hp Triumph. I bought it in November 2011 and being a novice to such ancient machines have started to record my experiences of owning and riding it. It is quite an experience riding a bike with no gears, no clutch and almost no brakes!
See: http://www.go-faster.com/1914Triumph.html

As people have contacted me asking where they could a similar Veteran motorcycle, I have created a web page listing any that are for sale or recently sold - so you can get an idea of values.
See: http://www.go-faster.com/VeteranMotorcycleForSale.html

I have now (January 2012) I bought a 1954 Triumph T110 and created a page about Triumph T110's.
See:
http://www.go-faster.com/TriumphT110.html

As people have contacted me asking where they could buy a Triumph T110, I have created a web page listing any that are for sale or recently sold - so you can get an idea of values.
See - http://www.go-faster.com/TriumphT110ForSale.html

I have a page about the TVR Griffith 500, see http://www.go-faster.com/TVR_Griffith_500.html